I dont know though. Also a lot of people staying in abusive marriages because leaving wasnt an option. Try to find something low key that has a predictable, repeatable structure so you see some of the same people every time and can form connections naturally over time. If you were kind of hiding from them because you were depressed and have shame about how long its been, let it go. Emotions are *who we are* and theres no such thing as a feeling or desire that is incorrect or illegitimate. LW, if you want the thoughts of a former terrible girlfriend, mine are: Your boyfriend isnt concerned about you. 03/25/2018 20:22 Subject: Re:My boyfriend stopped having sex with me. This isnt sustainable. What this involves is offering your emotional openness and love (instead of the tension of stress, fear and needing something to be happy). Sorry, it posted before I was done. How does this affect you will work on a reasonable person. He wanted me to try a sip of his tea. The best thing I can suggest telling him is that you need him to be your cheerleader for success not an accountant tallying up your failures the only thing that does is create resentment in both of you and blind him to your actual accomplishments and kill your internal motivation to continue. So if your partner was showing signs of depression themselves, (you know the signs) that would be a reasonable reaction. A person who wants the best for you will listen to you when you share that with them, and will change their behavior accordingly. Any way you do it, its all good. The human incarnation of depression is just what I was thinking. In this case, his schedule may actually not allow much free time at all right now. It could be as simple as saying to him, I noticed you've been distant recently, is there something bothering you? I was in a relationship like this! Should I dump this asshole? recently printed a letter that said Anonymous asked: Things between us are going so poorly that Im writing into a blog called Yo Should I Dump this Asshole? You are more important than he is. Because my fianc and I worked things out and are in a good place now, I am hesitant to just say ~DTMF~, but your boyfriend needs to realize that monitoring someone elses habits (even your eating habits!) Focus on your job/school/career/interests/hobbies/family/friends because this will make you a lot more interesting. Let your thoughts sit while your jealousy simmers down a little bit. In retrospect I think that I was correct about her commitment level BUT I still put all the focus on her rather than dealing with my own portion of those concerns and my personal issues. I suppose you could try announcing that youre going to change him into someone who doesnt do things he has specifically and repeatedly been told to stop doing, in his intimate relationships, even if you have to drag him kicking and screaming into The Land Of Getting Hip, but honestly, that comment above is an infinitely bigger red flag than any number of questions about your broccoli intake. Trouble concentrating. Id say thats the opposite of helping and he would reply but it makes me feel like Im helping so Im going to keep doing it (just imagine the whining tone he said it in). And I have to say, each and every guy whos shown interest in me but has said things like Youd be a lot prettier if you exercised (I walked 3-5 miles a day because I didnt have a car) and/or who has tried to get me to do something about my apparently embarrassingly large backside (its genetic, you fucking fucks!) If this IS the case, he does mean well, but hes going about things all wrong. Im rooting for you, LW, because this was one of the toughest ongoing issues in our relationship for a while, and I had to show him that what works as treatment for some people cant be applied to everyone broadly and without that persons permission. If he reacts poorly, or if LW feels unable to give advice because he claims that means theyre unsupportive (an only-to-real double standard), then that is key information and likely points to the impending doom of the relationship. My wife suffers from depression and anxiety which results in her not exercising, not eating right (or sometimes at all), skipping self-care, not getting out, not maintaining friendships, and a few other self-destructive issues. That was published just a few weeks after I dumped my ex for basically being both of those LWs SOs. What was it that made him stop putting in the work? And when he realized that I wasnt counting walking as exercising but really enjoyed it, he encouraged me to think of walking as exercise, brainstormed ways WITH ME to fit it into my day more, offered to walk with me, and asked me if I wanted a pedometer (note: he did not just buy me one), 4) when I felt like I couldnt do anything but lay on the couch and rewatch TV shows Id already seen, he sat next to me and read, or watched his own shows with headphones in and just quietly let me know he was there WITHOUT JUDGEMENT. We need a comfortable place to regroup after a challenge, to process the growth, to relax. The point is, I actively try to be a better partner and to listen to what he wants, and not just do to him what I think he needs. As the Captain has pointed out, the LW is the expert on their own life and relationship, and probably has enough You need to in their life already without getting it here. Hlepy is a word I learned over at Making Light. But I have vivid memories of having take-out chinese one night, then reheated leftovers the next, with soup from the freezer a third night, back in the day. It also meant i felt comfortable telling him things as they came up, instead of hiding them or lying because I knew I could trust his reaction. A person who is invested in their role as the Helper and in your role as Lumpy Clay Who Must Be Sculpted is going to try to convince you that setting boundaries here is not in your best interest. When your partner stops maintaining your relationship, that spark can easily die out as dissatisfaction and resentment builds up." Here are seven gestures that your partner may stop doing if your. It seems like his help is nothing more than poorly disguised undermining of you. Id put one more thing on that disaster preparedness list: a good friend who will hang out with you should you start to feel lonely. Some people even go on partial social media detox by simply using them for messaging, on the other hand avoiding watching people's stories. So far so good. Note, however, these are reasons, not excuses. Reasonable. God, Im such a pathetic LOSER! And cue the tears and stress eating and whatever other bad depression habits you thought youd gotten under control. Powered by Mai Theme. It took someone else to look horrified and reading the archives of CA or me to realise he would continue to hurt me because he didnt care about Actual me and my Actual feelings but the Girlfriend who he had in his head that bore no relation to who I was at all. Your email address will not be published. Theres a bigamist in my family tree he walked out on one family, changed his name and got married again. Get a cookbook and try new recipes out with each other. Thats right, mind your own business.* Asking how it affects him could give him an opener for a feelingsdump, and I wouldnt want LW put in the position of feeling like she has to manage his feelings about what she does with her own body. 2. Neither of us ever has to do anything because the other is doing it and expects participationonly a prior agreement (or an obvious necessity like bills, housework or cooking) confers obligation. Seriously. He is not the boss of you, and something in you has woken up to that. Sorry for the mix-up! Sometimes we are in love with the idea of the person and it makes you so angry that they are not that person. Stop the "blame game" and examine your part in disputes or conflict. He then believes that if you simply were to do the right things then he would get what he wants. He seems to be sorry for everything these days. He never mansplains, but he longsplains. Im starting to have a shoulders-to-the-ears reaction any time a LW mentions how logical or reasonable their partner is. Somebody who sees the good in you that already is there and currently exists. He is avoiding it. Hide the chips? Hello, me from the past! Or is his logic/reason for believing this just that it makes sense in his head and should therefore make sense in the real world? like being unable to control yourself is something to be proud of. Thank you so much. No. Except theyre not actually asking YOU whats best for you. And if he wont respect boundaries, keeps behaving like this? In the former case, dump him and run. LW, Im not sure if what worked for me would work for you it requires a baseline of respect that your boyfriend seems to lack. You know your boyfriend and your own situation better than we do, so I trust you to figure out who and what you are dealing with and take steps to care for yourself. its one of the downsides of having a toddler he still needs decent meals to function at anything like a survivable level. But that makes deliberately exercising seem like Im bowing down to that warped idea of my self-worth. This helped my husband and I when I was diagnosed with Anxiety Disorder. Whenever my boyfriend goes out of town, I deal with missing him by cooking all the things he doesnt like, such as spicy food. But I really appreciate CAs gentleness to LW about that. Good job former-me! Also, as an ex-smoker, I agreed with you on the you cant change other people front. Emotional detachment. But the way he goes about it is you need to exercise today. He (and my Dad!) So people get made to feel that theyre failing if they have the kind of depression that cant be fixed by green leafy vegetables and jogging (or that they must not want to get well if their depression prevents them from having the energy to cook, exercise, or whatever). Well, in my case, itd make me feel unsafe and be a total incompatibility. What Im getting at is its shitty when my father does this crap to me, its extra double wow shitty if your partner does that to you. That stupidest thing Ive ever heard bit set off major alarm bells for me, too. It can sometimes be really helpful to challenge yourself, whether thats to exercise more or read more or keep things cleaner around the house. You are doing FINE. Sometimes someone elses misery is beyond what you (you in general, not you in particular) can affect. They seem impatient You are the boss of you. I like this script because it avoids the teacher/student roles and makes exercise and cleaning and healthy eating something for EVERYONE. also: breakfast for dinner is awesome and should be a part of every week Unless you dont want it to be, in which case it shouldnt! All unsolicited helping has a certain degree of arrogance to it because it necessarily implies that the helpee could not get this done without you. The ones who wont should be encouraged to date one another whenever possible. I make weird concoctions of things that are in the house, and if theyre tasty they make it into the regular rotation! Not bully me or harangue me into preparing something for myself but actually sit me down and put a plate in front of me. Now! Something stuck out to me in your letter, you said your boyfriend thinks that if you do your healthy self improvement things then he wont have to deal with you having depression. See if there are ways you can make some of the self-care you want her to do easier. If you are depressed, and your partner likes and loves you, theres a real risk they too will experience some sadness that could develop into depression. Now, if he didnt react well to that, I might change it, but he says it is good to hear. What can I do for them?, Im sad because the person I love is being sad at me, and it would be so much easier if they were happy. Don't jump to any conclusion your mind is playing tricks on you so don't let it. I think there are some other strategies you can follow that will improve things for you. Honestly its tough. You wrote: Im in therapy to recover and get to a place where I think that Im good enough & love and trust myself again (after years growing up having that constantly undermined) . You've forgotten your dreams. I sometimes wish I could timetravel and tattoo this onto my brothers forehead a few years ago. On one such occasion, I decided I needed a big vat of coconut sticky rice. When I was unhappy with the way her behaviour impacted me, our living space, or our relationship I saw the fact she wouldnt do the easy, obvious things I told her she ought to as indications that she wasnt actually committed to her claims or our life together. It sounds as though its not simply a case of dump him, because that can be hard, especially when youre trying to sustain a healing process. Or because his life would be easier if you were happy? It can be hard to wait through the change. Tell him the reasons why so he can understand. I cannot get out of bed. And thats okay, too. I have a friend who often makes himself go to social outings, because hes noticed the pattern within himself that he usually feels like bailing and not going when an event is about to happen, but if he makes himself go, he usually has a good time and is glad that he did. A lot of people who have disabilities end up with serious social problems, at least for a while, as they have to figure out which people will still treat them well and which will cause them problems in all sorts of new ways. Going from being in a rough place to feeling better is a huge accomplishment, but it can be a tender one too. Dude wants to deliver improved nutrition for the vulnerable? He stopped trying "He stopped trying, I couldn't even remember the last time we went on a real date. If I tell him I already did, he tells me that walking doesnt count, that it needs to be more strenuous exercise. Yeah, this may be coming from a place of already focusing a bit intensely on food and exercise (history of disordered eating and over-exercise here) but to me this sounds like a recipe for mental health disaster. So I get what it feels like to see your partner unhappy and struggling. Only I was the fixer, always trying to give my boyfriend helpful advice about how hes doing everything wrong and hed be so much healthier and happier if only hed go to bed earlier, eat more veggies, and agree with me about more stuff. What causes these fights in the first place? Even if youre really busy with work, uni, or whatever it is that keeps you tied up all day and night long he used to make sure there was always time for the two of you. Hmmm, actually, that wasnt the post I was thinking of. But I really think you deserve somebody who loves, respects, and likes you as you are right now. Was there a specific moment where things changed, or were they gradual just something small at first but now taking up all of his time so he doesnt have any left for you anymore? But when you mention that you wish your partner would eat healthier to be healthier, that's OK. Does he want you not to be depressed because it would be a good thing for your mental health and stability or does he want A Girlfriend Who Doesnt Act Depressed All The Time because that would be more comfortable for him? Relax. Do you want me to smack your hand when you reach for the chips? He dropped out of college to focus on being a sound cloud rapper. Or maybe I just eat all the crackers, Or the broccoli. Sure, its better if you are exercising and eating vegetables I guess, but if you dont thats fine youre great anyway. How can I make him remember I am the special girlfriend he used to dot on? Second, I think that anything you can do to reach out to people who are Not Your Boyfriend is going to help. Weve worked hard to become partners in his health and Ive definitely made some missteps along the way. http://fathom.lib.uchicago.edu/1/77777760800/, https://captainawkward.com/2011/11/05/question-130-my-partner-is-depressed-and-i-am-drowning/, https://captainawkward.com/2013/01/05/429-430-when-depression-is-contagious/, Follow CaptainAwkward.com on WordPress.com. Controlling never helps this situation, taking care of me and then helping him as he asks to be helped is what helps this situation. Its just really hard to take that final step sometimes, and back off, but its exactly what I need to do. She can call a plumber or locksmith. So this guy is trying everything he can to fix the LWbut since depression makes people act against their best interests, the boyfriend doesnt trust said LW to deal with this on their own. Like theyd be SO PERFECT IF THEY DID A B AND C. Unfortunately, the reality is that they are not there. Think hard and make plans. Yeah, he sounds like a lot of bad voices like an A Capella Choir of Angst. I hate to jump on the You Should Probably Dump This Guy dogpile, but something you wrote in your first paragraph really sticks out to me, LW. Its always so much easier to see things from an objective perspective when one is looking in from the outside. My next question is maybe an obvious one, but what would happen if you didnt have a self-appointed expert on you and what you should be doing jump down your throat about all of your life choices or give you the silent treatment in your life at all? You know that already because you are experiencing it first hand. If it was, hed be asking you how he can help you heal, not telling you how to heal for him. He didnt like how I looked, how I liked to dress, how I acted or thought or analyzed media. I could write something very similar, except were only at 20 years. May 18, 2020 by Emily Cappiello. But I do also think the LW is getting quite enough You should from their boyfriend. How can I respond when he gets mad at me for not being good enough? Despite that, I managed to meet a kindred spirit. Anonymous: Anonymous wrote:Asexual people are asexual- they don't want sex even when the relationship is new and exciting. What would you like me to do or say? We will come times ask specifics if I see you doing X or Y would you like me to say or do anything?, We will also talk about our fears: I dont want to come across as a nagging partner or like Im your mom, so Im comfortable saying this, but only once.. Do you think you might try that?-level of caretaking from and for a partner, and it sucks to be in either role when you dont know if or when things will get better. He didnt like the way I went to the gym when we went together. have your own lives outside of each other. Some guys are just lazy, especially when it comes to relationships. It seems unwise even if someone asked me to do it, let alone unsolicited. I find that when one person is overly invested in helping someone else, its often an indicator that they have their own issues which theyre trying to feel better about. If he can hear criticism and change his behavior accordingly, then maybe thats a partnership that can be forged. It makes taking care of ourselves seem hard, even impossible on some days. 3. Or is he expecting you to just bootstrap your way to optimal nutrition and well being? In hindsight a lot of stuff was terrible and controlling but because I was invested beilived what he said until there was no trust left at all and I had utterly tried everything to get him to listen. I hope you get out much faster than I was able to. Not once, not twice, but every time you call. I said I agreed, and we broke things off by mutual agreement. This does not augur well for a long-term relationship. And if you have depression??? Enter your email address to follow this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. Wow, boyfriend is definitely being the jerk here. I certainly noticed the drop in my fitness when I moved cities to a place where I could no longer walk to work every day. I only do that in ways that SHE has approved, and that weve mutually decided would be comfortable and appropriate for me to do. That is exactly the right way to help, I think. As the Captain said, he likes potential you. I have always had trouble wrapping my mind around the idea of not wanting to be comfortable. The inevitable consequences to him & many people he cared about just outweighed any potential satisfaction far too drastically. . They are what they are, and you cant force someone to evolve. Then, at the end of any date, I got this huge guilt trip if I didnt show gratitude. Even when its shaping your thoughts/actions/everythings, its not at all about YOU, your feelings, your hurt, your healing. I cant believe you just did that to me etc etc. Probably better to stop and say why am I angry about this?. You know way better than any of us how useful this phrase will be. Then he was a royal PITA trying to get me back, because I turned out to be harder to upgrade than he expected again, hindsight! Stating your boundaries might just bring his own discomfort into the open. Walking is much better for me, sure it isnt strenuous (seriously, WTF????) Guys, on the other hand, typically view themselves as weak and incapable if they voice their feelings or lean on other people for help or support. I usually agree with our captain, but this time I see all those scripts as an exercise in trying to change him into a reasonable boyfriend even as hes trying to change you into someone who eats her vegetables. Its something weve learned. 6. I only do that in ways that SHE has approved, and that weve mutually decided would be comfortable and appropriate for me to do. He may be feeling like he is missing out on his life and it is time to get back into the single life. That's key: the minute there's no effort from both partners, then there's no relationship. You really loved him for the way he was always kissing you on your face, holding your hand when crossing a busy street, or shopping in a supermarket. Openly and blatantly. But the way he goes about it is you need to exercise today. This may also disarm any exes who set out to be hostile. I know plenty of people who want to be helpful but dont really know how. And OMG the stuff about veggies, sure veggies are great but the last thing you need is food policing from your SO, and again, veggies will not cure your depression. 1) They're guilty and regretful about the breakup When a relationship ends, there's a lot of emotion that's at play. Or will. I was your boyfriend (not literally but, you know, in the way he acts) with my ex-wife. This would be crappy behavior from a parent toward a child, even. Ive seen it with Dan Savage, Dear Prudence, and lots of other people who offer advice in various forms of media. If what he says pisses you off, take it as a good sign that your self-respect and self-preservation instincts are waking up and working. Some of the links on this website are affiliate links. ), how long would you live like this? He had a car and I didnt, and I didnt live near public transportation. And it shouldnt sound like shes opening the floor to discussion on that one. My thoughts are with you, LW! +1 absolutely, always. He has completely stopped doing anything and we don't ever go out and if we do, he has to be forced basically. If Im down in the dumps, a few minutes skipping rope can make me feel better as can a cup of ginger tea instead of reaching for a soda BUT these are temporary fixes and no substitute for dealing with the real issues. be positive about the steps your partner does take every time I am aware of my partner taking a session on his exercise bike (which isnt every time he uses it, but often we watch tv together while he exercises), I comment about how I am proud of him. Listen to Leah Robins and the Captain if he loves you, he will work with you, and you will be able to laugh together even during the darkest moments of your lives. Encouragement. When I said, I would find recognition for the progress I am making much more helpful than notes on what I could do better, he initially balked. He says I'm too negative and I have no friends and I'm not self sufficient. Yo! Focusing on changing someone allows wounds to fester. If it were me five years ago, when my self esteem was non-existent, and I were reading this comment thread, my heart would be sinking to my shoes at the very notion of a breakup, because I dont want to be alone for life and who could ever love me again if I screw this up? Its also a thing that gets easier once youve done it. But I guess its cool because he never got DIVORCED *gasp*. ! and but Ive been running for 40 minutes 3-5 times a week for months and I dont feel *any* better (in fact, in many ways I feel *worse*), what is WRONG with me? A big factor in that was that I saw her problems as easy to fix by doing X where my own were much more complicated (in my mind). Similarly, she may love him and think he is perfect, if he only didnt do XYZ. Congratulations on all the work you have done and everything you have accomplished. These are some of the reasons guys stop putting in an effort. At all. Depression is a mix of the chemical/biological and the situational, while youre working to treat the illness and silence the mean scripts from your Jerkbrain, you might find great improvements in your lifeif you freed yourself from a constant external source of criticism. He may feel like criticizing you is the only way to help. My sister is not depressed and does not need my help, I just want to provide it because I care about her. If I wanted to feel uncomfortable in a relationship, I would cover everything with thumbtacks with the sharp points out. No one wants to treat someone they love that way, it just slips out when you stop viewing them in that light. It's no secret that men aren't eager to discuss feelings. My husband has a hard time with my anxiety and sometimes asks if Ive eaten or what Ive eaten or mentions exercise to help me. This is a guy who hasnt figured out that nagging doesnt work despite all kinds of evidence to the contrary. Emotions *exist* and have a massive effect on our wellbeing, emotions dont just disappear if you have assessed them and decided that logically you should not be feeling that way (at least mine sure dont! Expressing frustration towards behaviors? Obviously YMMV, but Ive added that to my ever expanding list of red flags, right after people who proudly announce that they have no filter!! I agree with all of the above regarding logic. ), other peoples feelings are not an argument I can have theyre an axiom, or a postulate, or a piece of evidence I have inferred but theyre not a fucking argument. Thank you for the link. managed to pollute both the minds and the bodies of the American people, but he meant well. I recognize that it can be really frustrating to coexist with someone elses depression, but the thing is, your boyfriend is not obligated to stay if he cant deal with it. He felt justified in hurting my feelings as long as it was based in reason.. The dissonance between everyone says exercising will help! Usually in the interest of my mental and physical health, but also a little bit because living with someone who has panic attacks can be exhausting especially when they dont always take the best care of themselves (guilty). I dont think all relationships that arent in it for better or for worse and in sickness or in health are bad, but I do think that makes it a more casual relationship and one you shouldnt rely on. Do not wait until the stress of dealing with him makes your fingers itch for a sharp object (or whatever). Best of luck and all my thoughts. Having a life outside of your relationship is important for both parties. Second, this worries me, the idea that his view is likely if she just does these things, I wont have to deal with her being depressed.. Then willingly, because I knew tea came in a lot of flavors. Aargh, accidentally hit reply before done editing. Yes, seconded. You are not the only one. 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