First, the 7mm Rem Mag and 28 Nosler use larger diameter bullets than the 6.8 Western. Like most of our early magnums, this is based on the belted .375 H&H Magnum case. Hodgdon reloading data for the 7mm WSM shows that the 140 grain Nosler Partition spitzer bullet can be driven to a MV of 2979 fps in front of 58.0 grains of H4350 powder. This calls for a light rifle. One of the draws to the 7 SAUM is the availability of high-quality brass through companies like Norma and ADG. I set my dies to headspace off the shoulder and forget about the belt. And at sensible hunting distances even a basic MPBR hunter should have find more than 90 percent of his shooting opportunities covered by the Rem Mag. But if you suspect a 26-inch barrel might be a bit unwieldy, waitll you haul around a 28-inch. That was the 7x57mm re-branded for the non-metric British Rigby rifle. 7mm Rem. bullets far, far downrange with minimal wind deflection and maximal accuracy. Absolutely nothing special or difficult about reloading belted cases. If your just hunting without extended range sessions I'g use this over the 7rem mag. We're doing break in on it tomorrow. Most hunters who resist target practice can get a lifetime of good accuracy out of these 7mms. Barrel life is always a concern with maximum velocity, so-called overbore cartridges. LRHTB. Typical 140- to 175-grain, .284 slugs are wide enough to resist bending (a problem Bell had with tough, thick elephant bones) yet narrow enough to minimize drag. Just to add another fly in the ointment, but another 7mm to consider, is the 7mm Blaser Mag. The 28 isn't blowing the doors of the MAX. Indeed, over the years my 7mms have handled this stuff. I'd opt for the 7RM. If you want 7mm magnum performance, youll have to change tires (barrels) now and then. 7mm brass is simple to find and the caliber is an absolute hammer on deer/elk. Mag., 7mm RUM, 28 Nosler,) you dont need a 7 PRC. Run 230-240 freebore this will work for 180eldm, 184, 190,195 Bergers. I like off the shelf ammo and its 7 mag, 28 Nosler, 7mm-08 and the 280. It is going to be strictly a hunting gun on a lighter weight platform. It had impressed its power upon our troops in Cuba under fire from Spanish Mausers in 1898. All the info in that thread made my decision for me. The 280AI is a great cartridge, as is the plain old 280 Remington. Three quid k shots can overheat a thin barrel and turn a 1 MOA rifle into a 2 MOA. Some of these new cartridges are appealing, I dont think Ill change however. might not sound like a big deal until you start maneuvering it in and out of cases, trucks, scabbards, and forests. 195s topped out @ 2950 w/ N570 using a drop tube to fit powder, that primer pocket was loose after. Mag. rick smith. The SAUM will be built on a long action. I tested the 7 STW, 7 RUM, 7 Rem mag, 7-300 win mag and even a 7 Lapua. SAUM can be found on the Rifle Cartridge Page. 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The 180 Berger VLD was my choice for terminal performance. Full Member. 180-gr. Well, i was leaning towards the 28 Nosler, but now I'm seriously considering the 7mm RM. The 7 SAUM is a short-action, magnum cartridges similar to the 7 WSM. And the accuracy with both powders was great as well. runs at 2940 fps and the .280 AI runs at 2850 fps). Of course, you can exactly match 7mm ballistics with a .308 bullet if BC and MV are identical. Here, the hardness is nearly twice that of around the neck. The rim of the RUM was already rebated to fit a .534-inch bolt face. Full-magnum action long. 7RM!! Factory ammo all over, good brass fron Nosler, ADG, etc. Additionally you can tune your load so accuracy difference go out the window. The structure of the material reveals the hardness. If you want a shorter barrel, look into the 7 SAUM, 7 RM and even the 7-08 , they'll all get it done nicely. Both were introduced in 2001. Thoughts on a 22 or 23 Barrel in 7mm Rem Mag? Mag. The 7 SAUM offers better performance than the 300 Win Mag in a package that is almost as small as the 6.5 Creedmoor. They straightened the sidewalls. Im using Winchester brass, and it's showing no signs of wear after 8 or 9 reloads. .672., MV 2,900 fps. RL-19, H4350, and IMR 4350 are all good choices. They explain in part the enduring popularity of the 7mm Rem. Both are great rounds. We use cookies to make your experience better. All rights reserved. JavaScript is disabled. This friction-free bullet jump allows it to break inertia more easily. Read Next: Small Calibers for Big Game. gavevare til innvarming, bryllup, bursdager og alle anledninger. Qty: Add to cart. With a 160 grain bullet the Winchester figures are 2990 fps and 3176 ft. lbs. Hper du kan nyte shoppingen din her! The maximum load for that bullet is 61.5 grains of H4350 powder, which yields a MV of 3133 fps at a chamber pressure of 61,900 psi. Mag. Genesis 1:1 NRA Benefactor Life, SAF, RMEF, Memberships "Want to stop drunk drivers from killing sober drivers? ADG 28 Nosler. Im going to run a tikka action/stock trigger with spring upgrade with a 22in carbon barrel and a light weight scope. But with laser rangefinders one can easily compensate for the slightly greater drop of the 7mm Rem. Which one would you choose and why? I can't tell you how many cartridge choices I've settled on, only to change my mind again and again. I have a variety of options on this, as I am planning to do this on a DTA, for which I have both .535 and .585 bolts, and the DTA mags are pretty generous in regard to OAL. Mine is a 26" 1-9 twist non saami 280 ackley. More obscure were the 7mm Gibbs and the Norma-loaded 7x61mm Sharpe & Hart in the early 1950s. Full comparison of the 28 Nosler and the 7mm rum " Remington Ultra Mag" 2 big 7mm magnums that are very comparable. The first question you have to ask when designing a new cartridge is, "WHY?" The 7LRM (Long Range Magnum) is a non-belted case that has the same overall length as the 7mm Rem Mag with a standard magnum case head. Creedmoor Sports $ 116.95 . Mid-size 7mm cartridges like 7x57 Mauser, 7mm-08 Rem., 284 Win., and 280 Rem. Medium slow burning rifle powders are most appropriate for both of these cartridges. Everyone who knows what they're doing headspaces off of the shoulder anyways, and you should not be doing load development with virgin cases, you want to fire form them first so the belt is a moot point. Mag. This rings home with me. It slightly exceeds the ballistic performance of the short-action 7mm SAUM on the right. Been looking for a while. Actually just today finally found a Redding type s die seton stock. I think the 7saum is here to stay. With 165gr bullets the 300 has a fair amount of recoil with a 150gr it feels more like a 30/06. Vintersalg: Opptil 60 % rabatt + Gratis frakt over 499 kr The factory offerings for ammo hold no weight with me, but that probably plays a role in many people's decisions. The 404 Jeffery sired the majority of Nosler's cartridge line, namely the 30 Nosler, 26 Nosler, and 33 Nosler as well as other cartridges like the 7mm Remington Short Action Ultra Magnum (SAUM). More significant are the chamber dimensions, which are tighter than those of most traditional, 20th century hunting cartridges. at the muzzle. And heres a top load for the 175-gr. As the name suggests, this round is aimed squarely at accurate, long range performance. I have a 6.5 saum that is my go to long range coues rifle and it is my favorite rifle but not my first choice for an elk cartridge. Arbeidstid: 08.00-16.00mandag til fredagVi vil svare deg innen 48-72 timer. The Nosler Reloading Guide 9 lists a 175-gr. Remington and Winchester went to short, fat, unbelted cases for their latest 7mm magnums, the 7mm Remington Short Action Ultra Magnum and the Winchester Short Magnum. Creedmoor Sports $ 120.95 . The Hodgdon technicians used Winchester cases and primers to develop their loads, and they were chronographed in a 24 inch barrel. Just FYI before going 7-330NM, check out Long Range Hunting, there is a real long thread on there about the 28 Nosler with the 195 Bergers, just google it. JavaScript is disabled. Mag. Snipers Hide is a community of Snipers of all kinds, focusing on long range shooting, accuracy, and ballistics. Essentially, 7mm PRC rifles will be manufactured with match-grade chambers. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Nosler Custom Reloading Brass 280 Remington Ackley Improved 40-Degree Nosler Custom Reloading Brass 7mm Remington Short Action Ultra Mag Box N N2TRKYS Well-Known Member Joined M700 shooting 180-gr. burning 61 grains Reloder 22, 28 Nosler, 3,200 fps from 26 bl., 88-grs. Use a 1:8 twist and the 7RM will be no slouch. Said barrels will also be throated long enough for seating such bullets above the powder reservoir. I agree mud, but where does the 284 shehane fall compared to the above cartridges? I also kicked around the idea of 7max, but can always go that route later. Heres what a trajectory table looks like for the 180-gr. To get this Hornady went to its usual bag of tricks: The new, updated Remington M700 standard length action rifles handled the Hornady 7mm PRC 180-gr. You must log in or register to reply here. HOWEVER, I don't follow the logic of having to use a 26" barrel if you go the Nosler route. Som en stor omfattende nettbutikk er hjemsol forpliktet til hjelpe deg med skape et stt liv med vre utskte produkter. ADG 338 Remington Ultra Mag Brass. Snipers Hide is a community of Snipers of all kinds, focusing on long range shooting, accuracy, and ballistics. If you go the Nosler route, look into the freebore for the barrel. 280AI vs 7 SAUM: two peas in a pod. Will be running as a long action so no worries about magazine issues. Foot of the Big Belt Mountains near Townsend MT. It only makes sense, case with 8gr less capacity out running the bigger case, it's because of pressure, and lots of it. ADG 6.5 SAUM Brass. Clearly the 28 Nosler is the flat trajectory King here, but at the expense of more recoil, more powder, and a fairly large, standard-length action to fit the .534 rim/head circumference. ELD-Match zeroed for MPBR on a 6-inch target zone. Thanks. We are now conversant in 6mm, 6.5mm, 7.62mm and especially 7mm. And thats part of the reason 7mms are so popular. Ryan Pierce is a gunsmith, Piercison Rifles, and he is the first person I saw that was playing with the extra freebore. If the muzzle energy is higher, it will leave the bullet with higher energy. Copyright Ron Spomer Outdoors document.write(new Date().getFullYear()) Few, if any, cartridges shoot as flat and hit as hard at distance as the 7mm Weatherby. As for the 7 Rem Mag vs. the 7 PRC, the trajectory data indicates there is no appreciable difference out to 400 yards and not a heck of a lot more at 500 yards, so most hunters wont realize a major advantage with the PRC version. factory 7mm Rem. JavaScript seems to be disabled in your browser. Were I seeking the absolute top-end, extreme-range performance and willing to carry a 28 inches of barrel, Id look harder at the RUM. It will never be as popular as a 6.5PRC or 28nosler, but it has a purpose. Buy Now. Trustpilot. And in the chambers of their rifles. John makes custom dies not just what is listed. Anyone looking for really good dies call Whiddon and have them made. SAUM shows that 56.0 grains of IMR 4350 powder will drive their 140 grain bullets to a MV of 2943 fps, and 60.0 grains of IMR 4350 is good for a MV of 3146 fps. Mag. To comply with the new e-Privacy directive, we need to ask for your consent to set the cookies. ADG 300 Rem Ultra Mag Brass. The 28 is not going to be but about 25-50 FPS faster and it makes little difference. I have hunted with a 7mm Rem Mag and a 7mmSTW. The only advantage I'd see with the SAUM is using a short action. That's how gun control works.". The 7mm Remington Mag generates significant recoil of 22.15 ft-lbs at 13.32 fps. Another vote for 280ai if building a light weight hunt rig all the horsepower needed close to 7rm but standard action with room for an extra round. Subscribe to OL+ for our best feature stories and photography. Long action lone peak. Ballistic twins. Brass 1 - 12 of 73 Products Sort By Position 220 Swift Premium Brass (50ct) $108.95 6.5mm PRC Bulk Unprepped Brass (100ct) Out of stock $135.49 6.5mm PRC Premium Brass (50ct) Out of stock $118.95 27 Nosler Premium Brass (25ct) The .28 Nosler and 7mm RUM push the same bulletsjust faster. Note: A full length article about the 7mm WSM and 7mm Rem. You must log in or register to reply here. I have a 7 LRM in a DTA, I've been pretty happy with it. 22 Nosler. But then none have put it all together quite like Hornadys new 7mm PRC (Precision Rifle Cartridge.) 7 RUM Choose an option 6.5 PRC 6.5 SAUM 7 SAUM 7 REM MAG 7 RUM 28 NOSLER 300 WIN MAG 300 NORMA MAG 300 PRC 300 RUM 30 NOSLER 338 LAPUA 338 RUM 338 EDGE 300 WSM 375 RUM 7 REM MAG BRIGHT 338 RUM BRIGHT 30 NOSLER BRIGHT. Mag. In order to obtain that performance from a .30 caliber, I would need to jump into the .300 Win. I went 7SAUM. Id suggest a similar plan. The completed case holds 90 grains of water with our 175-grain boattail spire point bullet seated. Sign up with your email address to receive news and updates. 7mm PRC vs 28 Nosler The 28 Nosler shoots at faster muzzle velocities, but is an overbore cartridge that requires a very long chamber, with the Hornady hype behind the 7mm PRC, brass and ammo should be much more readily available soon enough. My vote would be 7RM as well. Furthest down, around the primer pocket, the brass should be firm. landed with a splash big enough to drench every deer/elk cartridge in North America. Good luck in your search, hope youll be as happy as I am with my results. And heres the same 175-gr. You are using an out of date browser. Running 8twist Proof 168s run flat, 5.2mils the other morning at 912y. Jan 1, 2018 2,001 4,006 51 Muscle Shoals, Alabama. #1 Postby Marty Sun Aug 05, 2018 8:38 am. Supporter. Founded by Frank Galli in 2000, Snipers Hide has been offering informational videos, podcasts, and other support to its users in one location. ADG 300 . Clear winner. Crap I don't remember, I'd have to pull a bullet, I've ran H1000, Retumbo and lots of R33, that load was H1000 but I only have the speed in AB. Arbeidstid: 08.00-16.00mandag til fredagVi vil svare deg innen 48-72 timer. It's often put head-to-head with other popular calibers like the 7mm Rem. The difference might surprise you. Worth considering. Now I am waffling between the 6.5x284 Norma and the 300 PRC. No more than 7-pounds finished and field ready. If its a hunting rifle does it really matter? Muzzle energy means the energy of the bullet at the time of leaving the gun. | Moose by the dozens have fallen to the 7mm Rem. 28 nosler is a great choice for the heavies mine is throated for the 195 eols but im gonna try the 190 atips soon. The best part is that the recoil is super easy compared to a 300. 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